In the second installment of the Roosevelt Institute's new weekly Bloggingheads series, "Fireside Chats," Fellow Mike Konczal sits down with Jacobin's Peter Frase. In the clip below, they discuss how the Occupy movement fits in with the broader American left. Mike says that "as a liberal I view this as a whole good cop/bad cop thing," allowing mainstream progressives to say "the system needs to deal with us conventional liberals lest our partners come in the room and go nuts."

Mike notes that progressives have largely been disappointed with the Obama administration because they feel it's been too passive and ignored the big issues. Even though the Occupy movement has focused on broad principles instead of making specific demands, Mike argues that "people in the liberal space are just excited that people are talking about inequality" and "that there's an actual youthful energy that in some ways the administration set up and then just let disappear." At the same time, Occupy has exposed some rifts within the left due to an anti-state anarchist streak that Peter calls the "evil twin" of neoliberalism.

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Watch their full conversation below for more on what a liberal utopia looks like, whether the welfare state should be replaced with a guaranteed income, and whether all our work will one day be done by robots and Star Trek replicators.